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CHunterX · Nov 04, 2007, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Strange, as I would say the other way around.

That would be perfect only in rarity, not in usefulness.

Pure Trex · Nov 04, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

Technically nothing is EVER perfect, can always be better
and req 7 or 8 certainly doesn't make a sword better. if you are running with 7 or 8 sword mastery on a sword-dependant build then you are doing something wrong.

most of my weapons are req 10, since it makes no difference when you have 12+ mastery.
and it cuts so much off the price.

in my opinion req 7 & 8 is worse than req9, because it adds to the price but not to the performance.

For shields -5/20% is worse than almost anything else you can get, extremely unreliable in any situation.

So if -5/20% is bad what wud be a good replacement?

CHunterX · Nov 04, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Pure Trex

So if -5/20% is bad what wud be a good replacement?

Actually, -5/20% isn't the worst possible. Its just the easiest requirements to fulfill (none). If you are a Warrior, -2/+45 (While Stanced) would be better if you were always running some sort of IAS or Defensive stance. A Dervish using a one-handed weapon would probably want a -2/+45 (While Enchanted), because Dervishes rely heavily on Enchantments, and the few times you won't have one up will probably be outside of battle. The list goes on per class.

Crom The Pale · Nov 04, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I am a big fan of the +10 Armor vs X mods for shields and run +30hp on all of mine.

Its simple enough to carry 4+ shields and quickly switch to the mod best suitted to the foes your facing.

In GW:EN most of the norn maps feature lots of ice monsters so the +10vs ice dmg is great and I can swap to piercing vs rangers or blunt vs junton.

+10 vs char is nice.

In the end you really will never come across a single shield that is perfect in every situation.

While I have to dissagree that -5/20% is the worst possible mod for a shield, I had a +1 soulreaping mod on a Tyrian shield, it is not very effective simply because its a random chance and only works vs physical dmg. Wars tend to take more dmg from elemental sources than physical.

Horseman Of War · Nov 04, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

actually the req 7s and 8s arent really perfect.... theyre more of a bug lol

I dont think 7s have dropped since the first few months of GW, and i havent gotten a req 8 drop since the early days of Factions myself...

But anyways, if you want a shield that can be pretty good in any situation go with the -5/20 +30. What you really want to do is build up your shield collection to include any option... +10 vs elemental or slashing/piercing is always good. Im also one to say +30 unconditional is better than +45 conditional hp.

Cammy · Nov 04, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

The perfect shield:

r7 Tactics
AL 16
+30 HP
+10 dmg vs. X

Get 1 for each dmg. type + a 20% cripple mod and you'll be set.

Not to mention broke T_T

Savio · Nov 04, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

actually the req 7s and 8s arent really perfect.... theyre more of a bug lol

Bug would mean that they aren't supposed to drop. Seeing as how req 8s still drop, it's one long-lasting "bug."

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But anyways, if you want a shield that can be pretty good in any situation go with the -5/20 +30.

If you're trying to sell a shield, -5/20 +30 is perfect. If you're actually using the shield, -5/20 is trash.

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Originally Posted by Pure Trex

So if -5/20% is bad what wud be a good replacement?

-2 stance or +10 vs damage type.

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Originally Posted by Zamochit

as it is (I believe) the equivalent of -4 damage per hit

It doesn't quite work that way, it depends on how much damage you're taking and how much armor you have already. If you're a warrior (100 AL vs phys), you want a +10 shield instead of a -2 if you're taking more than an average of 25 physical damage per hit (not including +damage.)

Div · Nov 05, 2007, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

in my opinion req 7 & 8 is worse than req9, because it adds to the price but not to the performance.

It adds to the performance when you only have 7-8 attribute levels in that. For example casters taking shields with req7-8 tactics. It's much easier to 4-way spec and meet a req7 or 8 shield than a req9 one (12-8-8-7 spec vs something like 12-9-8-5 or 12-9-7-6)

Crom The Pale · Nov 05, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

To be exact a caster is much better off with a 8 armor shield with 0 req and an inscription slot thus allowing for 30hp and a +10armor vs X to be used with out having to move any attributes or take war/paragon as a secondary proff.

Hailey Anne · Nov 06, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

Technically nothing is EVER perfect, can always be better
and req 7 or 8 certainly doesn't make a sword better. if you are running with 7 or 8 sword mastery on a sword-dependant build then you are doing something wrong.

most of my weapons are req 10, since it makes no difference when you have 12+ mastery.
and it cuts so much off the price.

in my opinion req 7 & 8 is worse than req9, because it adds to the price but not to the performance.

For shields -5/20% is worse than almost anything else you can get, extremely unreliable in any situation.

this may be your opinion and youre entitled to it but technically this is what is considered perfect. I myself use req 10s-11s so I dont really care about req im just saying this is what is considered perfect.

Ministry Of Peace · Nov 06, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17

req 7 tac bladed shield +10 AL vs earth, +1/20 fire magic

rwt2006 · Nov 06, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

A perfect shield would have no req. a tormented shield skin or something just as rare. and perfect mods it would also block every single attack 100% of the time. but that doesn't exist. Let's face it... mod wise you can go get a -5 20% +30hp at a crafter. your pretty much paying for a skin if you don't buy it there.

Shadow_7 · Nov 08, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

It adds to the performance when you only have 7-8 attribute levels in that. For example casters taking shields with req7-8 tactics. It's much easier to 4-way spec and meet a req7 or 8 shield than a req9 one (12-8-8-7 spec vs something like 12-9-8-5 or 12-9-7-6)

I wouldn't say it adds to the performance, as you are decreasing your caster performance by lowering your points in the caster attributes. (my personal opinion)

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

To be exact a caster is much better off with a 8 armor shield with 0 req and an inscription slot thus allowing for 30hp and a +10armor vs X to be used with out having to move any attributes or take war/paragon as a secondary proff.

I have to agree with this statement for a caster.

To me a perfect shield is one with perfect mods and is the best one for the situation you are going to encounter.

Quaker · Nov 08, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

It really depends upon who you're talking too, or who's doing the talking.

For most of the "1337" players, the req9,20/20,15^50,+30 sword and the req9,+30,-5/20 shield are "perfect" weapons.

Those who aren't so "1337" realize that it depends upon what you want the weapon/shield to do.

A more general term would be that a "perfect" weapon/shield would be one where all the mods on it are maxed and reqs are 9 or less. For example, a shield with req9,+45/-2 in a stance is "perfect", whereas req10,+44/-2 isn't.

Nov 08, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24	#34
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	It really depends upon who you're talking too, or who's doing the talking. For most of the "1337" players, the req9,20/20,15^50,+30 sword and the req9,+30,-5/20 shield are "perfect" weapons. Those who aren't so "1337" realize that it depends upon what you want the weapon/shield to do. A more general term would be that a "perfect" weapon/shield would be one where all the mods on it are maxed and reqs are 9 or less. For example, a shield with req9,+45/-2 in a stance is "perfect", whereas req10,+44/-2 isn't. Last edited by Quaker; Nov 08, 2007 at 04:26 PM // 16:26..

Nov 04, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35	#24
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	I am a big fan of the +10 Armor vs X mods for shields and run +30hp on all of mine. Its simple enough to carry 4+ shields and quickly switch to the mod best suitted to the foes your facing. In GW:EN most of the norn maps feature lots of ice monsters so the +10vs ice dmg is great and I can swap to piercing vs rangers or blunt vs junton. +10 vs char is nice. In the end you really will never come across a single shield that is perfect in every situation. While I have to dissagree that -5/20% is the worst possible mod for a shield, I had a +1 soulreaping mod on a Tyrian shield, it is not very effective simply because its a random chance and only works vs physical dmg. Wars tend to take more dmg from elemental sources than physical.

Nov 04, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28	#25
Horseman Of War Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: The Cult of Doom Profession: P/	actually the req 7s and 8s arent really perfect.... theyre more of a bug lol I dont think 7s have dropped since the first few months of GW, and i havent gotten a req 8 drop since the early days of Factions myself... But anyways, if you want a shield that can be pretty good in any situation go with the -5/20 +30. What you really want to do is build up your shield collection to include any option... +10 vs elemental or slashing/piercing is always good. Im also one to say +30 unconditional is better than +45 conditional hp.

Nov 04, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51	#26
Cammy Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: WA Guild: zulu Profession: Mo/	The perfect shield: r7 Tactics AL 16 +30 HP +10 dmg vs. X Get 1 for each dmg. type + a 20% cripple mod and you'll be set. Not to mention broke T_T

Nov 05, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53	#29
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	To be exact a caster is much better off with a 8 armor shield with 0 req and an inscription slot thus allowing for 30hp and a +10armor vs X to be used with out having to move any attributes or take war/paragon as a secondary proff.

Nov 06, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17	#31
Ministry Of Peace Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: req 12 land Guild: guildless for the time being Profession: P/	req 7 tac bladed shield +10 AL vs earth, +1/20 fire magic

Nov 06, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18	#32
rwt2006 Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Texas Guild: American Border Patrol Profession: W/	A perfect shield would have no req. a tormented shield skin or something just as rare. and perfect mods it would also block every single attack 100% of the time. but that doesn't exist. Let's face it... mod wise you can go get a -5 20% +30hp at a crafter. your pretty much paying for a skin if you don't buy it there.